Posts by Nathan Natas

these prophecies are of no private interpretation 2 peter 1:20. my testimony on video is all real just google "christ testimony of the churches around the world".this message is not a joke before the lord and his christ.

book of revelation and daniel prophecy about the beast and 42 months of spiritual perdition-i am the witness in seeing the beast ascended out of the bottomless pit and in spiritual perdition right now.

Nathan Natas

Surely this one has THE TROOTH. Let us follow him.

...buy don't call him Shirley!

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A question about the accuracy of dating the Earth and fossils.....

by EndofMysteries in

i have done some research into radiometric and carbon dating but i have been unable to find an answer or explanation to my challenge on that.

i wonder if anybody here can point me in the right direction or possibly answer it.. the first is that it seems most if not all of these dating methods rely on measuring decay.

unless i am mistaken, decay is not equal everywhere.

Nathan Natas

EndfMysteries, I'd like to address two of your questions.

The first is this business about radioactive decay. Jgnat said that elements are elements forever, and that is not strictly correct, as Jgnat's illustration shows, the radioactive isotope Carbon-14 turns into Nitrogen-14 and two sub-atomic particles when it breaks down. So, if you have an old sample of Calcium Carbonate - CaCO3 - and you do an analysis of it and find some Nitrogen (N) in there, the Nitrogen had to come from somewhere - from the decay of Carbon-14 into Nitrogen-14, which is a stable non-decaying form of Nitrogen.

To this question, "It's also claimed the oldest rock/elements found on the Earth are 4.5 billion years old, so that is how old the Earth is. Does that mean that out of thin air the Earth appeared? What if those rocks and elements were floating in space from 4.5 billion years ago yet they clustered and gathered and formed the Earth only 1 billion or 1 million years ago? Is there more to the dating techique that specifies when they became part of the Earth?" I would offer:

First (more than 13 BILLION years ago) there was the Big Bang, then energy began to become matter - individual atoms. The atoms bumped into each other, sometimes becoming compounds, sometimes becoming dust bunnies. Bunches and bunches of dust bunnies bumped into each other and the dust bunnies became large enough so that their combined mass gave them some significant gravity, and so the rate of collisions with other dust bunnis began to pick up speed. As the mass grew, so did the gravity of the mass. Now the dust bunnies were becoming rocks. As these clouds of rocky particles came crashing into each other, they got hot. VERY hot. The heat allowed a couple of things to happen - the bits of rock were now blobs of liquid rock, and because the mass was liquid, elements of different densities separated. If we had a very old rock in which some of the potassium had decayed into argon, the argon, being a gas, could now boil off of the hot molten blob.

This had the effect of resetting the atomic decay clock. Once the molten blob cooled off, it containrd none of the argon it had before it melted. So when we measure the amount of argon in a rock that contains potassium, we know that when the rock was molten it had no argon in it, so all the argon we find must have accumulated after the molten blob cooled off. Thus we can calculate how long the rock has been solid. This is the age of the rock.

Many of the 90 naturally occuring elements have radioactive isotopes, and these elements decay at different rates. This gives us ways of measuring different lengths of time.

You said, "...I'm back in college now, in the fall I'll probably be fullfilling the GE requirement for physical science, I may or may not chose physics for that."

I don't know what "fullfilling the GE requirement" means.

Your intentions are good, but don't expect CHEM101 or PHY101 to answer all the questions you might ask. Become a science major (HARD WORK!) and study chemistry, physics, nuclear chemistry and LOTS of math.

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New Article: Jehovah's Witnesses a Study in Hypocrisy

by daringhart13 in

would love your feedback!.

http://darrinhart.hubpages.com/hub/jehovahs-witnesses-a-study-in-hypocrisy .

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Nathan Natas

Good work!

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Detroit DC is NOT filling up? Please book a hotel room!! -letter

by ?me? in

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we have had a letter read the last 2 meetings to all congs attenidng the detroit dc's... seems people are not going, or not booking their hotels.

and the society is pissed!

they are imploring every one to not wait for a new list with new hotels, it is not happening.

Nathan Natas

Detroit is the Mogadishu of America, a gleaming example of how brilliantly liberal politics works, and it gets no lovelier than it is this time of year.

Just say "FUCK NO" to District Conventions.

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What is the deal with the "this is the last memorial" comments from my JW?

by jambon1 in

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the guy i know was saying this the other day.. "it's been suggested this may be the last one", or words to that effect.. where & by whom?.

is this doing the rounds?.

Nathan Natas

LOL, Steve2!

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Top 10: Apostate Power Rankings -Who are/were the best apostates?

by kneehighmiah in

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i only know a few like franz.

i rank him #1. then theres that jwsurvey guy and jwfacts guy.

and the silent lambs lady.

Nathan Natas

If you only know Ray Franz, then he is easily the most effective apostate ever, to you.

I never joined the Church of Franz because I left the Watchtower before he did, not only date-wise but I left at an earlier age than he did.

I have had the good fortune to have "met" many apostates, some while they were alive and others only through their writings, whether they were alive or dead at the time I came to know them. Some I know better - more thoroughly - than others.

Each of apostates I mention has contributed something to the XJW community, E UNUM PLURIBUS.

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What is the deal with the "this is the last memorial" comments from my JW?

by jambon1 in

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friends

the guy i know was saying this the other day.. "it's been suggested this may be the last one", or words to that effect.. where & by whom?.

is this doing the rounds?.

Nathan Natas

should have been:

Will this memorial be our last? (1 Cor. 11:26) Probably not, but count on Jehovah's "faithful slave" to play you moronic puppets until the strings break. You'll gladly gulp whatever bilge-water kool-aid we offer you. Oh, and we need more of your money, so cough it up, or you might die at Armageddon, and you wouldn't like THAT, would you?

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Top 10: Apostate Power Rankings -Who are/were the best apostates?

by kneehighmiah in

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i only know a few like franz.

i rank him #1. then theres that jwsurvey guy and jwfacts guy.

and the silent lambs lady.

Nathan Natas

Among the best, in no particular order, are:

Merwin Fogh

Antony Wills

The brothers Sadlack ( Emil & Otto)

Roy D. & Maud Goodrich

F. H. Robison

M. L. McPhail

William J. Schnell

Barbara G. Harrison

Kyria Abrahams

Diane Wilson

"Beth Shan"

"Angus Stocking"

Poul Bregninge

James Zimmerman

Joy Castro

John Rippin

Richard Rawe

Douglas D. Checketts

Rick & Inez Fearon